[AAAA]

Who is the stressed guy with the concealed weapon? You also have no idea what happened between Zimmerman and Martin, unless you were there. Your using media clips and internet chat to convict Zimmerman in your mind.

You missed the point. Doesn't matter who is guilty of what. Point is tension was high and there was a handgun present. Much less likely there would have been a death if the was no gun.

 

[Shutterbug57]

You missed the point. Doesn't matter who is guilty of what. Point is tension was high and there was a handgun present. Much less likely there would have been a death if the was no gun.

I am not sure the facts support that assertion. One person threatens to kill the other, then takes steps that indicate he was serious. No, I do not think the facts support your assertion at all.

 

[ultraelvis]

Thread makes me wanna buy rubbers.

 

[Tony407]

O.O lol ok Seriously, among many other things in America you are statistically more likely to die by a fatal lightning strike, falling, being hit by a car, drowning, riding a bicycle, plane crash, electrocution, exposure to heat, stung by bees, wasps, and hornets, earthquake, fireworks discharge, bitten by dog, medical malpractice.

Yes, those things are all more likely to kill you than receiving a fatal gunshot. There are many more but these help highlight the real risk in a way that makes us understand that it would be irrational to fear meeting your end at the hands of an armed citizen.

I had a few seconds of spare time to use Google, and I have to comment on this. I just couldn't let this much ignorance go unchallenged.

In 2010 there were 11,422 gun homicides in the U.S. On average there are approximately 55 people killed by lightning a year. (Huffington Post and USA Today, respectively.)

Facts are wonderful, aren't they? I could check some of the other causes of death you listed if you'd like.

And for the record I am not anti-gun. Just pro-education.

Tony

 

[honda_fox3]

In theory a responsible gun owner avoids road rage and using their firearm at all costs. Anyone with the proper training isn't going to draw just because you cut them off, but unfortunatly we have a lot of morons that carry (a lot of them illegally) so just keep your eyes open. In all reality it is pretty difficult to shoot from moving car to moving car accuratly.

In Utah anyone car carry loaded in their car, open carry with 2 mechanical movements required to fire and of course the concealed permit.

Personally I don't own guns and think they are the devil

 

[JoeD]

I had a few seconds of spare time to use Google, and I have to comment on this. I just couldn't let this much ignorance go unchallenged.

In 2010 there were 11,422 gun homicides in the U.S. On average there are approximately 55 people killed by lightning a year. (Huffington Post and USA Today, respectively.)

Facts are wonderful, aren't they? I could check some of the other causes of death you listed if you'd like.

And for the record I am not anti-gun. Just pro-education.

Tony

The subject was road rage and being killed by another driver, which I looked up as anywhere from 250-300 per year.
Just to be clear this is the internet and facts aren't always accurate but it's what I found.

 

[peckmv]

An armed society is a polite society. American law abiding gun owners that haven't had their rights taken away by the anti gunners are not the problem. Its the illegal gun carrying and the gang bangers that you need to be aware of. The fact is in States that allow people to carry tend to be the lowest in crime.

 

[Snipe315]

An armed society is a polite society. American law abiding gun owners that haven't had their rights taken away by the anti gunners are not the problem. Its the illegal gun carrying and the gang bangers that you need to be aware of. The fact is in States that allow people to carry tend to be the lowest in crime.

Well said and spot on!

Take the great city of Chicago for example. They have some of the strictest firearm laws in the Nation coupled with one of the highest murder rates. It is the criminals with illegally owned or obtained firearms that are the primary problem. Something like 95% of the firearms used in Chicago were obtained illegally. And over 87% of the people arrested for firearm related crimes were already legally prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm. But the Government & the Media want you to believe the answer is more firearm laws. :slapfight:

ever hear of self defense?

Zimmerman should not be able to claim self defense! He started that encounter (by following Trayvon Martin)! He also escalated the encounter by exiting his vehicle and physically impeding (and possibly assaulting) Mr. Martin (also against the specific instructions from the 911 operator)!

You can't start a fight and then claim self defense when it turns out you picked on the wrong person & are getting your butt kicked!

 

[2012 Summit]

Zimmerman should not be able to claim self defense! He started that encounter (by following Trayvon Martin)! He also escalated the encounter by exiting his vehicle and physically impeding (and possibly assaulting) Mr. Martin (also against the specific instructions from the 911 operator)!

You can't start a fight and then claim self defense when it turns out you picked on the wrong person & are getting your butt kicked!

I never said he was.

I simply said "ever hear of self defense".

Anyway, I wasn't there. Were you???

 

[ChrisOC]

I carry all the time. It's a 1992 Super Soaker .45 with a 1L clip. I tend to only draw on someone when they are wearing tight white t shirts or tank tops. No casualties yet.

 

[JoeD]

Well said and spot on!

Take the great city of Chicago for example. They have some of the strictest firearm laws in the Nation coupled with one of the highest murder rates. It is the criminals with illegally owned or obtained firearms that are the primary problem. Something like 95% of the firearms used in Chicago were obtained illegally. And over 87% of the people arrested for firearm related crimes were already legally prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm. But the Government & the Media want you to believe the answer is more firearm laws. :slapfight:




Zimmerman should not be able to claim self defense! He started that encounter (by following Trayvon Martin)! He also escalated the encounter by exiting his vehicle and physically impeding (and possibly assaulting) Mr. Martin (also against the specific instructions from the 911 operator)!

You can't start a fight and then claim self defense when it turns out you picked on the wrong person & are getting your butt kicked!

The only issue is Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch person who the community thought was a necessity due to the crime in the area.
While Zimmerman did initiate the confrontation, how can he be a watch person and not ask a person why they are in the neighborhood.
Now on the flip side I don't think I would have told him anything until he told me who he was and why he needs to know what I am doing. If he tried to physically restrain or even put his hands on me I would have been in Travons shoes except I also carry and maybe Zimmerman would be in the box.
I am glad I am not on that jury

 

[JoeD]

I carry all the time. It's a 1992 Super Soaker .45 with a 1L clip. I tend to only draw on someone when they are wearing tight white t shirts or tank tops. No casualties yet.

I assume you only do this to women, you sexist

 

[honda_fox3]

I carry all the time. It's a 1992 Super Soaker .45 with a 1L clip. I tend to only draw on someone when they are wearing tight white t shirts or tank tops. No casualties yet.

Comments like that aren't allowed unless there are pictures to go along with the comments. :thumbsup:

 

[Yadkin]

Having moved to Denver from UK 2 months ago my experience is that drivers here are generally more careful and less aggressive than in Europe.

As long as you signal in plenty of time and don't do anything obviously stupid, people seem happy to let you change lanes and merge on and off ramps etc.

Because of the frequency of signalised intersections in the city , and the ability to overtake in any lane nobody seems much inclined to race or try to cut anyone up as it doesnt really get you anywhere. Also sticking to the speed limit appears to be more prevalent than in UK.

I can only speak for my experience in Colorado and I hear from locals that things in the big cities are different but so far it has been nothing less than pleasurable to drive on this side of the pond!

To be honest it has never really occurred to me til I read this thread whether anyone is "carrying" or not.

Interesting. I have the exact opposite opinion of driving on US rural highways vs those in Ireland. I find US drivers seriously rude, not moving over when you need to merge, speeding up when you are passing them, and my biggest pet peeve, going slow or at the same speed in the passing lane and never getting out of it. In Ireland they generally drive the posted speed in the travel lane, get in the passing lane and accelerate past a slower driver, then switch back to the travel lane back to their set speed.

Are UK drivers not like that?

 

[stashgto]

Yes , and Yes Zimmerman is a murderer who was to by the proper authorities to stop. I have news for everyone I don't think there was a fight. My reasons are #1 the victim was heard begging for his life #2 there is absolutely no dna , or blood evidence from Zimmerman on the victim. #3 The perps clothes are pristine not like a person who was struggling in the mud while being supposedly beaten up. #4 the only dirty clothes where the victims they show dirt on the front which is how he ended up laying after being shot. #5 the perp, and victims hands are both absent normal signs of a struggle, or fight. I think the perp pretty much executed the victim it's just my opinion, but the facts support it.

 

[SRTgirl]

We have an entire thread dedicated solely to the Zimmerman case in the flammables section, please carry on any further talk on the subject there!

 

[SJandL]

I find US drivers seriously rude, not moving over when you need to merge, speeding up when you are passing them, and my biggest pet peeve, going slow or at the same speed in the passing lane and never getting out of it.

From an Aussie/Kiwi point of view - have only ever experienced this once Yadkin and that was on our last trip and on the freeway from LA to San Diego. Just a couple of drivers who refused to allow a lane change from us and both sped up or slowed down to ensure that wouldn't happen.

But you know, it happens here in Aust as well. Crappy drivers exist on all Continents. As it turned out, my husband treated that driver in exactly the same way he would treat it here if he was driving on say the M5 in Sydney and said '#@$% you, I'm going' and he did... and of course the lane change was made. Got flipped the bird of course from the young female driver but whatever. It's the same in all countries, it's not unique to the US at all.

I do however have an issue with the noise of the freeways in the US. They are so noisy compared to downunder - both Australia and NZ (I'm a Kiwi so of course I always include NZ in everything).

I think it is because they make them of concrete and groove them whilst down here, we do the bitumen/asphalt thing generally. I think that concrete lasts longer though (?) but it is very noisy.

Just an observation.

 

[Krisw123]

Interesting. I have the exact opposite opinion of driving on US rural highways vs those in Ireland. I find US drivers seriously rude, not moving over when you need to merge, speeding up when you are passing them, and my biggest pet peeve, going slow or at the same speed in the passing lane and never getting out of it. In Ireland they generally drive the posted speed in the travel lane, get in the passing lane and accelerate past a slower driver, then switch back to the travel lane back to their set speed.

Are UK drivers not like that?

I'm not sure about Ireland. But in England it is a major issue that some drivers "hog" the middle or even outside lane resulting in undertaking and lane changing which is not allowed. The "hoggers" then close right up to car in front to stop others cutting back in.

It is potentially very dangerous and causes lots of shunts and considerable road rage.
New legislation is just about to be introduced into UK to allow police to fine and put points on the licences of drivers who do this.

I have had a couple of instances where drivers have tried to stop me lane changing in CO but definitely the exception.

As I say I find it much less stressful driving in CO. I am recently retired so perhaps because I am not really in a hurry to get anywhere it is a bit different!

 

[Krisw123]

From an Aussie/Kiwi point of view - have only ever experienced this once Yadkin and that was on our last trip and on the freeway from LA to San Diego. Just a couple of drivers who refused to allow a lane change from us and both sped up or slowed down to ensure that wouldn't happen.

But you know, it happens here in Aust as well. Crappy drivers exist on all Continents. As it turned out, my husband treated that driver in exactly the same way he would treat it here if he was driving on say the M5 in Sydney and said '#@$% you, I'm going' and he did... and of course the lane change was made. Got flipped the bird of course from the young female driver but whatever. It's the same in all countries, it's not unique to the US at all.

I do however have an issue with the noise of the freeways in the US. They are so noisy compared to downunder - both Australia and NZ (I'm a Kiwi so of course I always include NZ in everything).

I think it is because they make them of concrete and groove them whilst down here, we do the bitumen/asphalt thing generally. I think that concrete lasts longer though (?) but it is very noisy.

Just an observation.

Yes there are quite a lot of concrete carriageways in the US and yes they are noisy. As a retired highway engineer from UK i know it has always been a contentious issue.

They need to be grooved for skid resistance and jointed to allow expansion because they are not flexible like Tarmac. This is what causes most of the noise.

They are hard wearing needing little maintenance. They are also expensive to replace although this is happening in a lot of places in UK for environmental reasons because the noise not only affects those driving on them but residents in the vicinity. The A27 in southern England between Havant and Chichester is a prime example.

A form of porous Tarmac is now being extensively used. It is very smooth and quiet but not so hard wearing. It seems to be being used a lot in parts of Europe.

 

[crabman]

I had a few seconds of spare time to use Google, and I have to comment on this. I just couldn't let this much ignorance go unchallenged.

In 2010 there were 11,422 gun homicides in the U.S. On average there are approximately 55 people killed by lightning a year. (Huffington Post and USA Today, respectively.)

Facts are wonderful, aren't they? I could check some of the other causes of death you listed if you'd like.

And for the record I am not anti-gun. Just pro-education.

Tony

I'm glad I wandered back by. Pro Education? Start by learning to read. The poster wanted to know what his chances are of dying at the hands of an armed citizen as the result of a traffic altercation but you choose to select total homicide deaths as having relevance? And then say you are not anti-gun? lol Try using your amazing skills to find the total number of foreign tourists who die as a result of an altercation in traffic at the hands of an armed citizen and see if that number bears any resemblance to total homicide deaths. Thank you for the education, I've learned to put you on ignore. That life is way to short to waste time with condescending people pushing an agenda I already knew.