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3.6 Electric Power Steering Fluid

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#1 ·
Just seeing what you guys are doing here

My power steering fluid on my 2012 WK2 3.6 is a little below the min mark, I want to top that off. I do not see any signs of leakage in this system

Anyway, fluid calls for Mopar® MOPAR® Hydraulic Power Steering Fluid meeting MS-11655
p/n 68065924AA

Alternative is: PENTOSIN CHF 11S
(they even cross reference mopar 68065924AA in their spec sheet)

I find Mopar fluid pretty difficult to source online. The mopar parts retailers online have it for $12-13 a quart but then add $15 shipping. Of course you can't buy it from Mopar's own website

Pentosin is available on amazon for 20 bucks shipped.
 
#4 ·
I just F it and went to the stealership

I gave them PN 68065924AA and the parts guy couldn't find it

He gave me PN 68088485AA , 16 FL oz (473 ml/1 US pint) Electric Steering Pump Fluid. Out the door with tax was $18.20

FYI in case anyone cares this fluid color is like yellow/green

FYI2 if you search for this PN (68088485AA) you will find more results online

FYI3 I asked the tech why my fluid was below the min, he said its pretty common and not to worry. Even though its a closed system , the fluid tends to evaporate off and they simply top off customer cars when they are in for oil changes.
 
#5 ·
I miss having a vehicle where the power steering and brakes both used brake fluid...one bottle to buy at any Walmart.

I like that about my motorcycle: Oil for the engine, transmission and the wet clutch basket along with brake fluid for the brakes and hydraulic clutch control. It's air cooled, so no radiator fluid.

The downside is the rear drum brakes....
 
#8 ·
Noticed my 2012 was low last winter (early winter), I bought some Pentosin CHF 11S from the local parts store and topped it off.

Now I have most of the can sitting on a shelf in my garage....

The Audi Forum I used to be on called that shit 'liquid gold' because at the time it was freakin' expensive for power steering fluid. Now $15 doesn't seem that bad.
 
#9 ·
Just wondering, has it gone down since last top off?
 
#14 ·
Yup. I would agree but that doesn't explain why my reservoir was just below the min mark

Topped it off and went on with my life
 
#25 ·
The only fluids I have seen evaporate from a car are Coolant, at an extraordinarily slow rate, we're talking a couple of ounces a year. Windshield washer fluid I have seen evaporate; and probably worse I've had old windshield washer fluid freeze in winter, likely because the methanol in the fluid evaporate out of it to raise its freezing temperature.

When I lost petroleum based fluids, or brake fluid, it was always leak, it was just a matter if the leak was so slight it can fool you into thinking there might be another reason it was lost.

Keep in mind;
Disc Brakes, as the pads wear down the brake fluid level at the Master Cylinder drops. That is one of your indicators the brake pads are worn out, the brake fluid level is at min.

Engines do consume engine oil, even prefectly good engines with no leak. Its just the rate they consume it indicate if something might be wrong. And it can be other things causing the consumption other than a worn out motor, the PCV valve is a good one for causing the engine to consume oil.

Any car, you're not going to be able to go years without topping off at least some of the fluids, if not all of them. If you've got to add a couple of ounces every other year, why worry yourself, look for leaks or problems, but move on with life.

Adding incompatible fluid to a system can destroy seals. I think everyone has heard a story of someone mistaking a Brake Reservoir for Power Steering since it was so close to Steering Wheel. Then within weeks having their entire brake system destroyed, because the seals swell to 5 times their normal size when exposed to petroleum based fluids.

I don't know for the JGC Electric Motor Power PS Pump, but in most case with Power Steering, over the years they keep making more and more demanding systems that breakdown their fluids either through shearing or heat, and thus require a more durable fluid than past PS fluids.

Again I don't know for the electric ps pump, maybe they use seals that are incompatible with the ATF+4 used most FCA vehicles. But in most cases, when they recommend a special PS fluid, its because the PS system is more demanding/hotter running and will breakdown the fluid to soon. So if you use the wrong fluid, it might work just fine for a couple of years, till you need a new Rack and Pump because the fluid broke down to the point it caused the system to fail.

Seals on moving parts, like brakes and shafts coming out of the PS rack, can leak because of gunk collecting on the surfaces and causing the seal to leak as it runs over the irregular shaped gunk deposited on the surface. Gunk is usually the result the fluid breaking down or getting contaminated.
 
#17 ·
Hello. New member here. Have a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6 that needed power steering fluid added. It had the pink ATF 4 in the reservoir which according to the fluid specs in the owner's manual is incorrect recommending the light green hydraulic fluid. Flushed and replaced with MOPAR 68088485AB ($15.00/pint).

After some more reading the ATF 4 was actually the correct fluid as I have an earlier model with a mechanical power steering pump not electric....ugh.

Steering works fine after two weeks however my question is will this fluid meant for the electric pump hurt anything or do I flush the new $70.00 worth of fluid and go back to the AFT 4?

Thank you.
 
#35 ·
After some more reading the ATF 4 was actually the correct fluid as I have an earlier model with a mechanical power steering pump not electric....ugh.
My Jeep GC is 2012 WK2 3.6v6.
From the service manual:
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If your cap on the power steering fluid reservoir says anything about "11665" compatible fluid (which mine does) then ATF4 is not the recommended fluid.

I am not sure whether GC 2011 have the Belt Driven Pump, but I'd double check that. Mine was replaced with ATF4 (which is incorrect for my Jeep) and I got weird wheezy, whoozy noises and some seals were leaking - maybe it wasn't related. But after fixing seals and flushing old fluid and using one which is ms-11665 compatible (More Information for PENTOSIN 1405115) problems were gone.
 
#18 ·
Had my '15 JGC diesel serviced by a local garage, it takes an hour to get to dealer, then half the day for an oil change, then about $200. Local garage about $50 cheaper, but they couldn't locate fluid for power steering. They stated they've never seen power steering so low. Tried several auto parts stores, they were all befuddled, finally resorted to Google, they recommended Mopar fluid or Pentosin. Waiting for delivery, car's steering seems ok, no fluid on floor, nobody seems to know why fluid disappears. I hate to call dealer, had a headlight replaced there took four trips and I think they're going to charge me for driving into the "Quick Change Lane" their equivalent of change your oil in half a day, plus charges.
 
#20 ·
A common problem on the grand cherokees is the power steering rack weepage. Look at the seals on both sides of your inner tie rods. You will probably notice them covered in fluid. That is the outer seals on the rack leaking. If you are still under warranty, id look into getting them to replace it. You will not exactly notice puddles under the car, but it leaks out slowly over time. Just keep topping it off. If the steering feels normal and not making and wierd noises you should be good just topping it off once in a while.
 
#34 ·
Well that's good to know. I have a 2013...purchased used some time ago and noticed the reservoir was bone dry. Something all the time with these so called 'new vehicles'. Id rather have my older truck...drive for ages and not have mechanical issues. All these plastic vehicles of today.

Have you by chance ever worked on the pump itself? Rebuild kit for the pump. Do you know whether or not I'll have to have computer recoded if I dismantle pump from the electric motor and reinstall? My pump itself seems to have a leak too.
 
#21 ·
Power Steering Systems, I've seen the system surge and force some fluid past the pressure cap on the reservoir. If this was the case, you would have the reservoir covered in fluid, or at least have a grimy reservoir from dirt mixed with the fluid.

There are places fluid can leak and get trapped and thus not drip, like the boots on the end of the rack that go over the tie rods. And even then, as the fluid builds up, while you're on the road and make a hard turn, it would force it out of the vent of the boot and not drip on the driveway later.

Another one to consider (don't know if its happening with the JGC Electric PS system) the motor bolts up tight with the pump and there is a seal on the shaft that the motor turns. The motor is sealed also. So if the seal on the shaft starts to leak, it fills the motor with fluid. The motor can operate a while filled with fluid. I doubt it will last long filled with fluid though, so if your PS motor isn't failing, I doubt this is happening.

This has happened on the Transfer Cases that have electric motors to shit modes in them, which our JGC have this. Owner can't figure out where the fluid in the Transfer Case went, its not dripping, tops it off, then find the electric motor fails, when they pull the electric motor to replace it, a quart of oil pours out of the electric motor.
 
#27 · (Edited)
Another one to consider (don't know if its happening with the JGC Electric PS system) the motor bolts up tight with the pump and there is a seal on the shaft that the motor turns. The motor is sealed also. So if the seal on the shaft starts to leak, it fills the motor with fluid. The motor can operate a while filled with fluid. I doubt it will last long filled with fluid though, so if your PS motor isn't failing, I doubt this is happening.
My 2012 JGC had low power steering fluid (hydro electric) at 33k miles. I was out of town so I stopped at a dealership and bought some of the right fluid $16. When I got home I took it in, they didn't see anything but said come back. I went back 2k later and still no loss of fluid. The tech couldn't find a leak. I wonder if it is going inside the pump?

Now I'm at 85k and have a puddle in my drive way. The EHPS seals seem to be leaking. Anyone rebuild one of these yet? I have some o rings that fit a 2012 Chrysler 300 hydro coming in. A guy on ebay says they are compatible... or has anyone just silicone/rtv the o rings....?

Thanks guys
 
#23 ·
I had my jgc diesel serviced locally(not at my dealer), so I don’t know if it’s been leaking all along, Jeep has over 37,000 miles. Local garage has been servicing our cars for more than 15 years and are very reputable, they also are our area AAA. They say there are no visible signs of leaking anywhere. The evaporation nonsense comes from the dealer. I filled the reservoir after the local guy couldn’t find the correct fluid, and that’s another story. I had to buy the fluid(specially designed for electric assisted power steering) from the dealer, the pint of fluid cost $18.50. The reservoir has maintained the level since then. This maybe one of the mysteries of life, or Murphy’s law, or whatever spin you want to put on it.
On another note, just returned from a 1500 miles trip to the Carolinas, diesel averaged over 36 mpg!
 
#24 ·
#28 ·
My daughter took her 2012 JGC into a "tire place" in TX to have her tires rotated last year. They told her she had a major PS fluid leak at the rack. I had her take it to a small shop who wiped it clean and inspected it over the next few days...magically , no leak. Has been on the full mark for 108k miles.
 
#30 ·
2015 JGC 47K miles. PS resevior is completely dry. Noticed during oil change. Some blue/green discharge on garage floor (almost looks like antifreeze or washer fluid). Meineke mechanic said adding any fluid could cause the boots to overfill ...speculated seals were damaged and $1800 for new PS. Next step is checking with dealer. Will advise.
 
#31 ·
I thought this was an interesting Caution from the maintenance manual.
I'm not suggesting that this is the cause of some of these issues however, 2 to 3 seconds is a very short period of time if you are trying to maneuver the vehicle in a tight space.

CAUTION:
Do not force the pump to operate against the stops for more than 2 to 3 seconds at a time because, pump damage will result.
 
#32 · (Edited)
I had the PS system flushed at around 36k miles trying to avoid a leaking rack situation at 80k. Had to top off with approved brake fluid - found it at Autozone - green and expensive. Good reminder about holding the PS at lock for more than a few seconds. Thanks.


Tom
 
#33 ·
Take it to a dealer, don't forget this is an electricly actuated steering mechanism. The fluid doen't have to be full. Don't let anyone other than a qualified FCA tech work on the system. Others don't have the technical know how to repair or maintain this system.