Videos are your friend, seriously, video tape every single start up until it replicates. I had several issues the dealership may not have been able to duplicate, but had videos to show it that it was happening.

 

Re: Another TIPM Problem WK2 Fuel pump relay UPDATE

Just an FYI , after making a claim with Chrysler Jeep , i got absolutely nowhere , So I took my chances and bought an external relay (OMRON ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS G8JN-1C6T-DC12 AUTOMOTIVE RELAY, SPDT, 12VDC, 35A ) for 12 bucks , waited for the non starting issue to happen again ( about a week later ) then there it was ! A NO START so I got out my test light and tested the external relay ( Post Recall Fix ) and found the correct power but the coil wasn't pulling in !! so at least I found the problem and changed the relay , 2 min job ! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
good luck guys !!!

 

Re: Another TIPM Problem WK2 Fuel pump relay UPDATE

Just an FYI , after making a claim with Chrysler Jeep , i got absolutely nowhere , So I took my chances and bought an external relay (OMRON ELECTRONIC COMPONENTS G8JN-1C6T-DC12 AUTOMOTIVE RELAY, SPDT, 12VDC, 35A ) for 12 bucks , waited for the non starting issue to happen again ( about a week later ) then there it was ! A NO START so I got out my test light and tested the external relay ( Post Recall Fix ) and found the correct power but the coil wasn't pulling in !! so at least I found the problem and changed the relay , 2 min job ! :thumbsup::thumbsup:
good luck guys !!!

Bart Man-

Having the same issue. Thanks for the advice. Ordering one external relay tonight.

 

Mine is at the dealership right now with the exact same problem. They replaced the TPM and now they're saying I need a new fuel pump for $1300! Has there been a recall for fuel pumps too?

 

The exact part number is OMRON G8JN-1C6T-F-R-DC12. Make sure you get this part. It is a metal body and weather proof.

 

Hello my friend. I am having the same issue with my 2015 grand Cherokee limited. Will this part work and if so is it just a plug and play install or so I need wiring and assistance?

 

Can someone explain how the external relay fits into the overall picture here? Does it somehow replace some other "internal" relay?

 

Fuel pump relay recall
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/rc_P5414.pdf

The internal relay was bad or could go bad so it was cheaper for FCA to bypass it and install an external relay. Some feel the entire TIPM should have been replaced with an updated part, rather than a hack job done on the old one.

 

Newark element14 Electronics | Electronic Components Distributor

 

If you go to the OMRON website and research the part number, there are multiple versions of the part. Some are plastic bodies. Some are metal bodies. Some are not weatherproof. Others are weatherproof. I used the exact part number that Jeep installed after the recall- metal body and weatherproof. The part number is coded to match the metal body and weatherproof.

 

Sorry for misinformation- it is not a metal body. It is a plastic body.

 

Just an update after several weeks with the new relay- no issues. Starts every time. Now I just jinxed myself!

 

Same here. 15 days after install. Absolutely no issues.

One of the best 15 bucks I ever spent and saved me a trip to the dealer. That's reason enough to buy it!

Absolutely 100% totally worth it!

 

So yesterday my wife's 2013 WK2 with the 3.6L left her stranded. Luckily she had friends to get her home. We've had the recall fuel pump relay done 2 years ago and for the last 2 days she's been having some very non pattern cranking and not starting episodes that resolved itself. My thought immediately was that POS "fix" that Jeep did was going bad. Sure enough I thought I'd pull off the relay and found something similar at Oriely's for $10 just to see if that was the problem and she fired right up. I did go ahead and order the Omron part via Amazon since the Oriely Band-Aid isn't weatherproof and the crap Jeep put on is. I find it hard to believe that this is in any level a decent fix that Jeep just threw at the wall to see if it sticks. A relay lasting only 2 years is very unsettling especially when it come to my wife potentially being stranded. Jeep should really come up with something better. Thanks for all the info in this thread to make me look like a genius in my wife's eyes!!

 

Good info. My 2011 JGC Limited Hemi (98K miles) just gave me the no start for the second time in about 10 days now. It had been sitting in my garage for 2 days and I did verify that the fuel pump relay replacement with an external relay was completed about 3 years & 40K miles ago. I'm headed out on a 2500 mile trip starting this coming weekend so I ordered one of these Omron relays from Amazon and will have it on thursday. At least I'll have a relay with me to hopefully correct any non starting issues I encounter.

 

Hi, by installing the new relay was your problem fixed? regards.

 

So you are all talking about the "no-Starting" problem which i've had to deal with as well. Dealership fixed it for though, twice now..

However, i don't see y'all talking about the "shutting down" issue... and it only happened as i applied the brakes to start slowing down.. That's been the worst of the issues. just driving a long, slow down for a turn, and BAM, jeeps shuts off on me. i started using my key fob so i could just put it in Neutral and restart quickly so i don't slow traffic down much.

i actually don't use the push to start function anymore, seems to shut down more often when i do. haven't had any issues since using the key fob.

 

Here is my recent experience with a 2011 WK2 with hemi V8. Intermittently, the engine would crank but not start. Then occasionally it would crank with significant misfire and raw gas smell. I dropped it at the dealership. The tech verified the crank with no start condition and found there was no pressure at the fuel rail. Tech concluded that the external fuel pump relay installed under the 2014 recall had failed. Defective external relay was replaced at no cost under the recall program. I pickup the vehicle today and hope for no repeat of the problem. It is difficult to understand why a fuel pump relay would only last less than 4 years.

 

My 2011 had started to occasionally be hard to start over the past few months. Long cranks finally starting after 4-5 attempts. Last month it stalled on me on a parking lot and it took about a dozen tries to start it. My JGC had the fuel pump relay recall completed about 40K miles, 3 years ago.

So I bought a $12 Omron relay on Amazon, took 2 minutes replacing it, and all seems fine now. Who knows, could do it again but relays do actually wear out over time since they're a mechanical device subject to extreme conditions in the engine compartment.

 

You'd think redesigning the TIPM to fit ONE MORE RELAY ON TOP with the rest as easy access required redesigning the whole fleet.... Pretty sure I've just run into this issue. Driving and suddenly the engine dies and acts like I'm out of gas (when I just filled up the 3 quarters of a tank so lol) Whoever designed this thing, as well as all the approvers down the line seriously need to suffer a piston through the cabin for this nonsense!

 

http://www.verticalvisions.com

Good info here

 

^ This!

To all those savvy under the hood that will be your best bet, as well as some of the aftermarket harnesses. As of now (June 2019) the two places I've hit up for the official harness will only ship it to a dealer to my dismay >:{

Also keep in mind.... the layout of you fuse box may be different from many of the videos on the issue, depending on your vehicle and year. I've figured mine out but be advised. May upload a crappy video of my '14 just for reference lol

 

2011 Grand Cherokee 3.0 CDI (registered to post here for your benefit)

I can confirm that the "Fuel Pump Relay Recall Fix" is the issue on our GC - we had the recall done as a preventative measure, and surprise surprise, our failure was the actual "recall" relay rather than the factory fitted relay.

Symptoms, regularity & history:

1. 12-24 months: Stall straight after start, rare initially, increasing to 2-3 times per week
2. ~3 months: Long crank without starting, 2-3 times per week initially, increasing to 2-3 times every day
3. ~2 weeks: Engine cuts out while driving, has happened twice

FYI: If you have had the recall applied to your jeep and suffer the same symptoms, I found there is another relay mounted closer to the firewall that is compatible with the Recall Relay (at least my car has it), and you can simply swap these over to get you going again. It's attached to the Bosch relay block adjacent to the strut mount.

Thoughts: this is an appalling situation and solution from FCA, no more than a band-aid patch up job that risks stranding vehicles and occupants in life threatening situations.

 

Ok so I am dealing with this issue now. My GC had the recall done before I took ownership and this year it starting cranking for along time. Sometimes it wouldn't start, sometimes it does. Replaced relay with exact relay it has, still the same problem. Found another relay on a jeep website and got it from AutoZone and still the same issue. Not sure what to do now as it does it with any relay. Is this an actual fuel pump problem or something else?

 

I am in the exact same situation with my JGC 2013, it stop suddenly and impossible to start. So I took it to a Chrysler dealer, and after all the advices I gave them regarding the new recall etc.. and telling them it was certainly a problem link to the recall, they gave me the diagnostic that it was my fuel pump which need to be change... more than $US900. So I went to buy a new relay to change it with the old recall, and did not solve the problem

 

Hello,

I have been dealing with continuous cranks but never turns over for probably over 8 months. Occasionally it does start and then rumbles off. This behavior is not always consistent. It can go weeks with no issue.. then some days it never wants to start. So far I have not had it shut off while driving. I bought my 2012 wk2 in 2014 from a caddy dealer. This recall, the current and the previous never came up. So I'm unsure if it was fixed the first go round. However, now fiat is claiming they don't have parts to fix it. Today alone I lost a half hour's worth of work time. Wouldn't start in the AM and made me late.. then stranded me on my lunch break, thus making me late again. Husband is currently driving it and stopped at the grocery store and left it running for fear of being stranded!
I've read all these posts and thank you all for putting the info out there. If I hadn't come here and went solely off the dealer, i'd be without an option since they wont even replace a possibly already replaced shitty relay.
I think I am going to take my chances and attempt putting in the external relay myself. I'd rather drive around with a couple extra on hand than get stuck every time I go out.

Thank you to whomever posted the link for the replacement part!! I'm going to yell at the Jeep dealer one more time and then I will order said part. I'll post the outcome!!! if I remember!

 

Hello,

I have been dealing with continuous cranks but never turns over for probably over 8 months. Occasionally it does start and then rumbles off. This behavior is not always consistent. It can go weeks with no issue.. then some days it never wants to start. So far I have not had it shut off while driving. I bought my 2012 wk2 in 2014 from a caddy dealer. This recall, the current and the previous never came up. So I'm unsure if it was fixed the first go round. However, now fiat is claiming they don't have parts to fix it. Today alone I lost a half hour's worth of work time. Wouldn't start in the AM and made me late.. then stranded me on my lunch break, thus making me late again. Husband is currently driving it and stopped at the grocery store and left it running for fear of being stranded!
I've read all these posts and thank you all for putting the info out there. If I hadn't come here and went solely off the dealer, i'd be without an option since they wont even replace a possibly already replaced shitty relay.
I think I am going to take my chances and attempt putting in the external relay myself. I'd rather drive around with a couple extra on hand than get stuck every time I go out.

Thank you to whomever posted the link for the replacement part!! I'm going to yell at the Jeep dealer one more time and then I will order said part. I'll post the outcome!!! if I remember!

I am in the exact situation, were the dealer even refuse to change the <existing recall relay> because of a <safety argument>, so I bought one and did it myself today, but it did not solve the start problem
so I have to go with his diagnostic, that I have to change the fuel pump xxxx$
What happen in your case ? How did you solve your issue ? Thanks

 

G8JN-1C6T-F-R-DC12 has the bracket
G8JN-1C6T-F-DC12 does not

 

G8JN-1C6T-F-R-DC12 has the bracket, Built-in resistor.
G8JN-1C6T-F-DC12 has the bracket.
(https://omronfs.omron.com/en_US/ecb/products/pdf/en-g8jn.pdf)

 

I am aware of TIPM recall and had it performed. However, in my case problems with starting were alleviated by replacing the battery that was about 5 years old at this time. Never a problem again (car is 10 years old now). Replaced it by AGM battery I bought at Sears Auto.

 

Has anybody actually found the underlying cause of this issue? My 2012 Grand Cherokee WK2 is having an intermittent issue where it won't start immediately, though it turns over. The vehicle has the external fuel pump relay, and I believe the recall on the recall was performed last April, just before we bought the car. A few weeks ago, seemingly out of the blue, the car wouldn't start. It would crank but wouldn't turn over. Soon, it happened once a day, but if you walk away and come back later it will start. I switched the fuel pump relay with a unit from Amazon (Standard Motor Products RY116 Relay) and the problem went away for about two weeks. Then it happened again. I switched the relay again for the "proper" replacement unit from Chrysler and that actually seemed to make it worse. Meanwhile, my code reader sees no codes. It seems to me that there may be an underlying issue that has nothing to do with the fuel pump relay...

 

At this point, if it really was something else underlying the obvious, I'm pretty sure it would have been picked out. There certainly have been reports of locations doing a bad job at the wiring.

The whole thing had to do with the relay being soldered. The relay going bad is one thing, but is the solder points wear, I could only imagine the electrical nightmare that could potentially cause depending.

2014 here so no recall for us (yet) Had to purchase a repaired TIPM for MAKs.

 

Welcome to the jeep family Rparsons
I was going to link this thread but you found it. If you read from the beginning, it looks like a 5 minute job and explained, so more like a plug and play.

 

hello, i'm a long time fan of these blogs and have gleaned a wealth of knowledge from all of you champions, thank you for contributing.
i have a 2011 grand with the 5.7 and have been dealing with this dreaded 'stalling while slowing down' issue since about 2016. it started with not being able to start like so many others. i had the recall bypass of the TIPM which fixed the start issue, but about a year later i started having the stalling issue. read a bunch of blogs about replacing the TIPM, which i did. a year later it started stalling again.

got to thinking about it and decided to run the vehicle in 5th gear to see if it would stall in manual mode. it has not. every time it stalls is in 'drive', while slowing down. this is leading me to the theory that this may have something to do with the MDS system. i have not replaced the crankshaft position sensor as i would think the vehicle would stall in manual mode if it was malfunctioning.

would love to hear any thoughts on this.